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S7E22 - Luke 9:28-43 - Mountain Top Experiences
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A split second can change how you see everything, and Luke 9 gives us one of those moments. Jesus goes up a mountain to pray with Peter, James, and John, and while He’s praying, His face and clothing blaze with a kind of radiant glory the disciples cannot manufacture or explain. Then Moses and Elijah appear and start talking with Him, not about comfort or success, but about His coming “departure” at Jerusalem. Even in glory, the cross stays central.
We take time to read the passage closely and connect the dots Luke expects you to notice: why the Transfiguration comes right after Peter’s confession that Jesus is the Christ, why “about eight days” is not a contradiction with the other Gospels, and why the Bible keeps linking mountains, prayer, and revelation. We also dig into the meaning of Moses and Elijah showing up as the Law and the Prophets, and why the word “departure” can carry the weight of “exodus,” pointing to Jesus as the true deliverer from sin.
Then comes the line that lands on all of us: the Father speaks from the cloud and says, “This is my Son, my Chosen One; listen to him.” We talk honestly about how easy it is to be half-awake spiritually, how quickly we can chase the mountaintop feeling, and why Luke immediately brings us down the mountain into the crowd where real ministry happens.
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Welcome And Chick-fil-A Talk
SPEAKER_03What's up, Lifehouse family? Welcome back to the Life Dog Podcast. Another week, another episode, and oh, it is June, and the weather is heating up. And but man, we soldiered through Memorial Day working on a holiday for all of our listeners to keep some content coming to you. And I'm just excited for another opportunity to dive into God's word as we continue through the book of Luke. And this week, as we kick off, and we are getting towards the halfway point of the year. It is just crazy, but continue to have Jeremy Alrich with me, continuing the streak, QA, QC. We keep him around because he keeps us on our P's and Q's.
SPEAKER_00I try to. I try to. It's hard for it's hard with you, Nate, sometimes, but but I try.
SPEAKER_03Somebody has to do it. Just somebody around here has to do it. And you just drew the short straw and had to do it. So and Keith is back with us. Keith, man, you didn't escape this week. So we're glad we roped you in for another another week of podcasting with us.
SPEAKER_01So oh, it's just a blessing to be with you guys.
SPEAKER_03Hey, you're not supposed to lie on the podcast now. So okay.
SPEAKER_01All right, all right. Hey, we're just hanging out, having a good time. You're you're doing it because nobody else would, right? Well, Nate, you did promise me Chick-fil-A, but we won't tell anybody else that. I'm game for that. We we got to finish the podcast and then we'll talk.
SPEAKER_03So okay. All right, sounds good. And Mitch Poe is back with us. What's going on today, Mitch?
SPEAKER_02I'm doing well, bud. Uh you have me at Chick-fil-A, Keith.
SPEAKER_03Mitch is an easy, easy uh get in for. How many Mitch Chick-fil-A points you up to, Mitch?
SPEAKER_02Oh, you don't even want to know. I got I got a couple.
SPEAKER_03Stock up, stock down for those in our listeners. Mitch, we call Chick-fil-A his office.
SPEAKER_02That's my place. That's my place.
SPEAKER_03You can find him. If you would like to meet Mitch, your best odds are at Chick-fil-A in Middletown, Delaware. Yeah, sir.
SPEAKER_01I actually think Mitch is going to buy the whole staff Chick-fil-A, and he'll still have points left over.
SPEAKER_03I think you could buy the whole church Chick-fil-A on his points. So we'll just have uh the church picnic. It'll be Chick-fil-A. There we go. Mitch has covered it. We just had that yesterday. It was amazing, right? So sign me
Confession Then A Glimpse Of Glory
SPEAKER_03up. All right. But all joking aside, we are excited to be keeping the journey going through God's word. And last week we looked at some very crucial questions that uh really we all have to answer that Jesus poses to us. And so prayerfully, the week has been a good one of just reflecting on those, but we're moving forward in uh mountaintop experiences. We're gonna talk about the transfiguration today, and uh Mitch is gonna take us on a deep dive.
SPEAKER_02Well, I don't know how deep it's gonna be, but I'll at least give you an overview and you guys. The 30 minutes yeah, the 30-minute deep dive. There you go. Yeah, the transfiguration of Christ. This we're gonna look at verses 28 through 36 specifically, and then there's a footnote. Well, it's really not a footnote, it's a separate story that's 37 through 43, I think it is. It's kind of a bolt-on, but uh really interesting contextual inclusion that Luke does there. We'll get to that in a minute, but let's talk about the transfiguration of Christ. First of all, back up for a second. Let's talk about or just real quickly, recap kind of where we went last week, because this immediately follows. So the contextual understanding of this is important. What we talked about last week was Luke's emphasis on the crowds that follow Christ, and this is consistent throughout his gospel. The question he was starting to really narrow down was what do the crowds or who do the crowds say that I am? And some answered John the Baptist, some said Elijah, and then they said one of the prophets of old. We'll talk about we're gonna hear the word Elijah or the name Elijah here in just a few minutes. And then he drills in a little further and he talks to the disciples and he says, But who do you say that I am? And then Peter, quick to answer always, he he's he chimes in, he says in verse 20, the Christ of God. Then immediately what follows after that is this confession that Christ predicts his suffering, his death, and that his disciples were probably going to uh face a lot of that himself. And immediately right after that, Jesus predicts his death. All three synoptic gospels cover that. And then what follows right on the heels of it? The transfiguration of Christ. Why? Why is this story linked in this succession? I think Jesus is undeniably identifying himself as the Messiah, the Savior of the world. Peter confessed it, and then Jesus self-describes it, and then in a really material, manifest ways, he
Reading Luke’s Transfiguration Scene
SPEAKER_02reveals himself. So verse 28 starts out like this says, Now about eight days after these sayings, he took with him Peter and John and James and went up to a mountain to pray. And as he was praying, the appearance of his face was altered, and his clothing became dazzling white. And behold, two men were talking with him, Moses and Elijah, who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure, spoke of Christ's departure, which was about to be accomplished at Jerusalem. Verse 32. Now Peter and those who were with him were heavy with sleep, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men who stood with him. And as the men were parting from him, Peter said to Jesus, Master, is it good? It is good that we are here. Let us make three tents, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah, not knowing what he said. How many of us have spoken too quickly? Not knowing what he said, Peter. Verse 34 And as he was saying these things, a cloud came and overshadowed them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. And a voice came out of the cloud saying, This is my son, my chosen one, listen to him. And when the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone, meaning Elijah and Moses were gone, and they kept silent and told no one in those days anything of what they had seen.
Six Days Or About Eight
SPEAKER_02So Luke starts out this recording. Some people will key in on this. It's an amazing passage of scripture, but one detail that some people will key in on is Luke says, now about eight days after these saying, if you go back to the other gospels, Mark and Luke, or I'm sorry, Matthew and Mark both say six days. So some people will point to this and say, Well, there's a contradiction in the Bible. And if you think about Luke at the very beginning of his book, he his whole purpose in writing this book was to have an accurate accounting. He did all these witness, eyewitness stories. So Luke went out of his way to keep a detailed record. So how in the world does he miss this detail? Mark and Matthew both say six days. Here's the key. Luke, in this case, I think was kind of rounding this off. He said, if you notice the text, it says about eight days. So I don't think there's a contradiction there. And some say that he probably included the day before, you know, when Peter was saying, you know, the Christ of God, and maybe the day of the transfiguration, because so it's about an eight-day period. Regardless, some period of time had passed, a little over a week or about a week in this particular case. So who did he take with him? Jesus took verse 38. He took Peter, James, and John. Peter, James, and John are really the three inner circle that Christ surrounded himself with when he really wanted to get away and be alone. A lot of times he would just take those three. And where did he go? He went up to, the Bible says, a mountain. And this uh this is in verse 28. So where is this mountain? If you look at Matthew's recording of this Matthew and Mark, both of them record it as a quote, high mountain. Matthew's gospel also records that they were in the Caesarea-Philippi area. If you look at a map, that is about 20 to 25 miles north of the Sea of Galilee. The highest mountain in that particular region was Mount Hermon, Mount Hermon. And there's also another mountain called Mount Tabor. Hermon, Mount Hermon, was about five miles from the particular location they were, and Tabor was about 40 miles. So it's likely Mount Hermon where they were, where they were going up on this mountain. But regardless, he says, this mountain went up on this mountain, his glory shone, shines through. So this is not something that Jesus is not revealing himself in a you know new kind of a way here.
Prayer And The Radiant Christ
SPEAKER_02He's revealing kind of who he already is. And I think it's interesting in verse 29, the emphasis on prayer. And we kind of touched on this really in the last episode, and throughout the Gospels, a lot of the writers will go out of the way to talk about Jesus being alone or even with other people, and he was praying. And that's what he was doing in verse 29. It says, and as he was praying, what happened? Here's the transfiguration. His appearance of his face was altered, and his clothing became dazzling white. Matthew's gospel records it this way his face shines like the sun. His face shines like the sun. And Luke, or I'm sorry, Mark records his clothing like this. This is interesting. I've never seen this particular word in scripture, but here's how Mark records it. His clothes became radiant, intensely white, as no one on earth could bleach them. No one on earth could bleach them. Yes, the word bleach is in the Bible. That's in the ESV. I think Mark goes out of his way to paint such a contrast. His words are almost awkward in how he records that because he's just trying to be as descriptive as he can about what the appearance of these clothes were. And if you look at white or dazzling clothes throughout scripture, you'll find them mostly, almost exclusively, associated with some type of heavenly glory. God's throne scene in Daniel chapter 7, the angelic appearances all the way throughout scripture, they're always in white. And even the risen Christ in Revelation chapter 1 is described as being uh intensely white. So verse 30 then starts out, after all that's happened, verse 30 starts out, and behold, it's almost like something supernatural just occurred. Mark says in his gospel, and there appeared to them Elijah and Moses. Matthew takes this one a little step further, and he says, And behold, there appeared to him Elijah and Moses talking
Why Moses And Elijah Appear
SPEAKER_02with him. And Luke records what they're talking about, his departure. What just happened prior to this? This proclamation of who Christ is, the Christ of God, Peter. Jesus then in verse 22, 23, talks about the Son of Man is going to have to suffer, be rejected, be killed. And then he talks to but denying yourself all of this detail around that. And what are they talking about when Moses and Elijah shows up? They're talking about Jesus' glory or Jesus' departure, meaning his crucifixion. It's interesting. The word departure in the Greek is actually another way to translate it, can be the word Exodus. Who wrote the book of Exodus? And who shows up? Moses himself shows up along with Elijah. So I've always asked myself, why Moses and Elijah? These are two dead guys. They died sometime sometime in the past, and now they're appearing with Jesus. Why are why these two specific guys? Why not Abraham, the father of the nation? Why not David, king of Israel? But no, Moses and Elijah. In Luke 24, on the road to Emmaus, two men, two disciples, who encountered Jesus after his resurrection, they didn't recognize him. And verse 27 says, And beginning with Moses and the prophets, he interpreted them in all the scripture, the things concerning himself. This is Jesus. I've always wondered what kind of a lesson that would be. I would love to sit under that teaching. But Jesus is teaching these disciples on the road to Emmaus about he started with Moses and all the prophets. So Moses and Elijah represent the law and the prophets. And I think it's interesting, there's an interesting correlation or connection between Moses, Elijah, and Jesus related to their deaths. I don't know if you knew this, or at least listeners knew this, but the only person in all of Scripture who God himself buried in Deuteronomy 34 was Moses. No other person in Scripture did God Himself bury. And an interesting side note, there's a contention over Moses' body between Michael the Archangel and the Devil in Jude chapter 9, or Jude verse 9, excuse me. So I don't have no idea what the theology is behind all of that, but it's a really interesting correlation. The only person in the Bible God himself buried, nobody knows where he is. Michael the Archangel and the devil are arguing over that, which I think is kind of cool. Elijah is one of only two people in the Bible who never died, Elijah and Enoch. So Moses was the only person in the Bible that God buried, and Elijah's one of two people in the Bible that never actually died. So they have an interesting correlation, connection with Jesus, in that Jesus also had a very unique death, but he also rose again. And one other interesting correlation I found between these guys, and I want to get you guys' thoughts on this one as well, is Moses, look how they encountered God. It says that during the transfiguration, it was on a high mountain. Moses, back in the book of Exodus, went up to Mount Sinai. He fasted for 40 days in the presence of God, and the glory of God was revealed to him. That's Exodus 24, 18. When he came down from the mountain, the Bible says Moses' face was shining because he had been talking to God. So he was up on a mountain, he had fasted for 40 days, God revealed himself. Elijah, 1 Kings 19, running from Jezebel, runs into the wilderness, and God fed him and made him sleep. And he said he went in the strength of that food for 40 days and 40 nights to where? Mount Horeb. So it's an interesting another interesting correlation that both of these men had significant encounters with God on a mountain, on or about this around this 40 days worth of fasting. And here we are in Luke 9, where Jesus is on a high mountain, who shows up, Elijah and Moses. And what had Jesus just come off of five chapters earlier? The temptation of Christ, where he was on a mountain himself, Satan was up there, and what had Jesus just finished? A 40-day fast. There's clearly a connection between these three men. I just think it's interesting that they're
Sleepy Disciples And God’s Command
SPEAKER_02there. Verse 32 goes on, and he talks about Peter, James, and John were heavy with sleep. I I've often wondered how in the world, and I'm not trying to be too critical because Peter sometimes gets a bad rap. I get it. But how in the world are you going to be? How can you possibly sleep at a time like this? After what you've just witnessed, firsthand knowledge, you've seen this, and they fall asleep. Well, these same three guys were in the Garden of Gethsemane with Christ, if you remember that, in Matthew, Luke, and Mark's gospel all record the same thing. They fell asleep three times in that particular thing. So it's interesting that you know there's a lot of different correlations with these two these two guys and Jesus himself. And the last story, guys, I'll get to is there's a story told in verse 37. It says, On the next day when they had come down from the mountain, a great crowd met him, and behold, a man from the crowd cried out, Teacher, I beg you for my son. He's my only child. He's basically having seizures, summarizing these chapters, and then Jesus heals him. I think what's a good application of this is you know, you can have a mountaintop experience with Christ, the transfiguration. We've all had, we've all gone to a conference, we've gone to a retreat, we've had alone time with God when you feel you're on a spiritual high. Nothing wrong with any of those things. But ministry and the Christian walk happens down in the trenches the very next day when you come down from the mountain, the crowds are just as they've been there before, somebody's yelling, help me. And that's what ministry is all about. I think there's a really just a good message there in how these two two very interesting stories kind of line up. So anyway, that was probably more than you were interested in hearing about, but I thought I'd dive into it. It's a really interesting passage, fascinating to me. So thoughts?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, a lot to unpack there, some important insights, as always. Mitch gives us. I see why Luke is your your your book, because you you love in the Luke's wavelength, go in deep. But we miss a lot of these things, things that you're talking about. You know, we don't always see the significance of Moses and Elijah, but when we dig deep, God's word is so deep in that God is intentional. I think just so much of the the timing, like you talked about, and what jumped it out at me is just how much we see of these things happen during prayer. We mentioned that last week, like so often a couple weeks ago at our men's monthly men's meeting, we talked about like prayer being where the action is. And so we forsake prayer so frequently, but yet that's when God shows up and does big things, yet we struggle to do it. So I just see the power of prayer here and the intentionality as well as the depth of Moses, Elijah, why that matters, you know, why they're very significant. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I think it's pretty interesting. You know, when you look at the Mountain of Transfiguration, it kind of pulls back the curtain and really reveals Christ's glory. And in that, here you have, you know, in verse 32 it says, Now Peter and those who were with him were heavy with sleep. You know, here is the Son of God. All this is happening, and these guys are pretty well passing out. They're so tired. I mean, I don't know about you, but if it was me, I think that'd be pretty cool to be peeking while I'm praying, just watch, see what's happening. I mean, just to be real realistic there. But, you know, these guys are heavy with sleep, you know, and I agree with you, Nate, on the prayer thing. Man, that is one thing I think we miss. You know, we have it as one of our core values here at Lifehouse. We pray first, we pray always. And, you know, I think we think of prayer is the time just to ask for, you know, gimme, gimme, gimme, and not God do something in me. So that's kind of my take on that.
SPEAKER_00Jeremy, I'll let you Yeah, I agree with you. One of the things that stood out to me was the prayer. Jesus was in prayer before, you know, before this happened, and we see we see Jesus building a base and an example, a model of praying first, like just like our core value is, right? Like you just said. One one of the other things that stood out to me, and we talked about it last episode, was the uh the centrality of the cross. We see that, like what are they talking about? What are what are Moses, Elijah, and Jesus talking about his exodus? You know, even in glory, the cross is the focus. Uh, you know, and the idea of the uh Jesus tells the disciples beforehand, like uh in verse 21 and 22, I believe, that he must suffer and and and be and die. And then right after this, uh at the end of this story, and that you covered it last week, he says it again. It's it's being driven home, the centrality of the cross. And this idea of the exodus like has jumped out to me, I'm glad you you brought that up, is uh it just jumped out to me because like another connection with Moses is you know, Moses led the children of Egypt of Israel out of Egypt in that exodus, and how Christ, if we look at it, uh you know, Christ is our exodus from sin. Christ delivered us from sin as well. It's just uh it's a topic of conversation in glory. It should be it should be a central something central for us. And it's why Paul in in First Corinthians one talks about how the central message of his gospel and his preaching is Christ crucified. It should be the central message of any of any Bible believing church, Bible preaching church, and any and any follower of Christ. That should be a central a central focus.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I really like to, you know, like you pointed out, waking up. You know, kind of you mentioned it, Keith, Mitch. A lot of times we're asleep. Like truly coming to faith requires a a waking up. You know, we were dead in sin. We have to wake up to the truth. And so I just see that too, like to truly see the glory of Christ, the glory of God, requires a waking up. You're you're not gonna sleepwalk, you know, through your faith. But you know, we see Peter as normal kind of kind of misses it. He's like, We want to stay here. You know, it's on uh you know, kind of this earthly mindset and let's just stay in this place, and then like you said, Mitch, we're going to no, we have to get back in it. Like the mountaintop experiences matter. But Peter's like, Yeah, let's just chill here, let's just set up some tents and you know be good with it. But that's not not what Christ is calling us to. There's more work to be done. So I see that in this passage too. That's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I love how in verse 35, one of the very few times in the New Testament where God Himself speaks, he spoke earlier, right after Jesus' baptism, and he says, What? This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. Here he says something very similar, verse 35. He says, This is my son, my chosen one. Listen to him. So there's an instruction that comes after it. Don't listen to Moses, don't listen to Elijah, or you know, these two incredible people that just appeared, but listen to him. And that's speaking of Jesus. And I guess the question for our audience would be who are you listening to? You know, we talked the last episode about who is Jesus, and this puts a punch, this is an explanation point around who is Jesus, this transfiguration, voice from heaven. This is my son, the thy chosen one. Listen to him.
SPEAKER_00One of the things that I like to write after that in verse 36, it's it's subtle, but like I but something that was been that I heard a pastor speak about in the past was Jesus was found alone. Right. Like when they like Moses and Elijah disappear, but Jesus remained. The the final and he is the final and ultimate revelation. So Uh the di you know, we have we we c Moses and Elijah, the culmination of the law and the prophets. Jesus is the fulfillment of all of those things. Yep.
SPEAKER_03Yep. That's Hebrews where, you know, God had spoken through Moses and Elijah, the law and the prophets, but now through his son.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think you're on this something there, Mitch, when you talked about, you know, am I truly listening to Christ? I I think you could even ask it, ask the listener today, think in your own mind, what voice not only am I listening to, am I allowing to influence me in my walk with Christ?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, who am I listening to around me? Yeah. The culture, there's a lot of voices out there. And I think a lot of times it's so easy for even believers, but certainly, you know, the un the unchurched and the people that don't know Christ, this to be influenced by the by the world and and the culture around us. But this is you know, this is God Himself saying, you know, listen to him. So that's what's important.
From Mountaintop High To Valley Ministry
SPEAKER_03Then you mentioned it's purposeful, but coming down off the mountaintop can be a little bit humbling, right? You know, we're getting back into reality. The disciples are back to struggling because they've sometimes the mountaintop experiences lead us like, all right, you know, we're gonna, what was the we heard it uh a couple weeks ago, gonna charge hell with a water pistol and and do it my own now, because I've been on the mountaintop and the disciples are back to struggling. They can't cast out this demon. So Jesus continuing to have to teach them the humility and dependence that he's having to show them. So I think what you pointed out with the follow-on in verses 37 on shows us a lot of how our posture towards those experiences also needs to be. They're great, but don't let that lead you to some kind of self-confidence, self-righteousness apart from Christ that we can frequently have happen as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and what happened just before this, we talked about this, I think, a week or so ago. And that was, you know, Christ is saying, if anybody wants to come after me, you have to deny yourself, take up your cross daily and follow me. It's not, it's not gonna be glamorous, you know, it's gonna be tough, it's gonna be humbling. And then you have this huge mountaintop experience where these three, and then the very next day it says when they had come down from the mountain. I love that. Verse 37, yeah, we're all going to come down from the mountain one day. A great crowd met him, and behold, a man from the crowd, the same people that have been following around all this time. So here he is, smacked with reality of ministry and just the Christian walk. And then what's interesting, and we'll probably get to this, I guess, the next podcast is just a couple verses later, they start arguing about who's the greatest among them. You know, Christ is teaching them this lesson on humility and what you need to do and follow me. I am the Christ, listen to me, spoken by God Himself. And they're, you know, it's easy to be critical on the disciples retrospectively, but here they are just a couple verses later about arguing about who's gonna be the greatest amongst them.
SPEAKER_03I love Mitch. He just foreshadows next week to keep our listeners coming back, always giving us a hook. So gotta come back to keep hearing good stuff. But I love it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so you know, when you think about that, the human effort coming off that mountain, coming back to reality, like coming from vacation back to work, reality there, human effort is really powerless without Christ. And and I think that's what it demonstrates there. And I think a lot of times we lean into our own efforts for things, even through culture, through life, through the church, and we really have to lean more into Him, meaning the Christ, following after Him and understanding our weaknesses. Yeah. But through our weaknesses, He makes us strong if we lean in.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I uh on a personal level, like I re uh and or th those mountaintop experiences, like I really I agree with you. We can we have those those and then we have to lean into because the ministry happens in the valley, like I think like you said, Mitch. But on another way, like I was when I was reading through this, like something else that came to light was that it's almost a picture of the mountaintop revealing who Jesus is, right? Like we can see that we can see Jesus in his glory, and then the valley is revealing why he came. You know, it's almost a picture of the you know what Paul talks about in Philippians of the incarnation and like how he's he didn't consider himself to uh as equality with God to be as a thing to be grasped, but humbled himself, came from heaven down to the valley of our earth to to save us.
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SPEAKER_03So great stuff, and so Life House Family, as we consider the transfiguration. Maybe you're on a mountaintop right now, really experiencing the presence of God, and just praise for that. But stay humble. Remember those times we're gonna have to come after Christ in all situations, even when we come down. And I think, like you said, Jeremy, that's where the ministry is gonna happen, that's where hard things will happen. So will we try to do it on our own or will we lean into Christ and who he is? So much we can learn. Transfiguration. I remember the first time I read it as a new believer was totally confusing. But uh the more we read it, the more we get into it. It just gives us so much and makes so much sense. So, Lifehouse Family, we thank you for joining us. Again, our continual prayer is that these episodes help you through your week to continue that daily walk that we have been talking about, just helping you draw closer to the Lord and uh just getting to know God's words better. So, join us next week. As Mitch already telegraphed, we'll be talking about who is the greatest and answering that question. So come back next week and I will see you then. Thanks for tuning in to the Life Talk Podcast. If this episode encouraged you, please be sure to like, comment, subscribe, and leave a review so others can find this content as well. And we'll look forward to seeing you next Monday for another great episode.